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Holland375
post Jan 9 2014, 08:33 PM
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I have been thinking about another car for track and drive once in while in town. My options so far are a 2000 vette or a 2000 boxter. Which one do you think will be easier to work on/modify and more affordable ?
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post Jan 10 2014, 09:28 AM
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Duh?!? wacko.gif

Let's see...how do you compare a corvette to a boxster? rtfm.gif
- Better looking? boxster
- Better made? boxster
- Easier to work on? toss up because you have to flip the boxster over to see the motor.
- Stylish and unique? boxster
- Any other meaningful measure? boxster
- Faster in a straight line? likely the vette
- Made with more plastic? certainly the vette and it will remain in the landfill for 700,000 years

You decide.

Did I miss something? Is this a Porsche Club of America site? rofl.gif



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post Jan 10 2014, 08:25 PM
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That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks, but now the issue is the Boxter is more affordable? but the one I really like is the Cayman. There is something about the Cayman that makes it so unique.

Is there any models or years that I should stay away from? Please help me with my ignorance. to_become_senile.gif
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post Jan 10 2014, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (Holland375 @ Jan 10 2014, 08:25 PM) *
That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks, but now the issue is the Boxter is more affordable? but the one I really like is the Cayman. There is something about the Cayman that makes it so unique.

Is there any models or years that I should stay away from? Please help me with my ignorance. to_become_senile.gif


I'd look for the latter years of the 986 Boxsters 03-04's, after the main seal oil leak problems were addressed.
For 987 Caymans and Boxsters, 07-08s are sweet, S or non-S, before they upped the HP and changed the computer.

My thoughts...Randy


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post Jan 11 2014, 09:13 AM
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As I have heard from others and found myself. It is a wash as far as cost. Porsche parts are more expensive yet it is ready out of the box and parts fail less frequently. On the vette you need to upgrade many parts to make it track ready and the parts are inexpensive compared to Porsche (about half) now if you find a car with them upgraded it is less of an issue.
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post Jan 11 2014, 05:03 PM
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That is what I have been thinking, and that is why I posted the question on boxter or vette, pluss once you start upgrading parts to make the vette track ready it becomes less streetable and then I always seem to go back to a porsche. It is just amazing how track ready they are and still have good manners on the street. On the other hand every once in a while it is refreshing to drive on the street a temperamental car. Crap now I need 2 new toys.
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As I have heard from others and found myself. It is a wash as far as cost. Porsche parts are more expensive yet it is ready out of the box and parts fail less frequently. On the vette you need to upgrade many parts to make it track ready and the parts are inexpensive compared to Porsche (about half) now if you find a car with them upgraded it is less of an issue.
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post Jan 11 2014, 07:14 PM
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Let me throw a big monkey wrench into this discussion. Many people have no idea what Porsche parts cost in the event of a catastrophic failure. Corvette engine costs are nowhere in the neighborhood of what a Porsche engine costs. Similarly, you have a transmission failure you can ask Rene and Bossolo, Rene has a Vette and Bossolo has a Porsche and they will tell you that replacement costs are a world apart. Here is an example, a Corvette LS3 engine found in earlier 2000 models can be had new in a crate for a few thousand dollars. A Porsche engine, if you have a core, will cost you in the Tens of thousands of dollars. Hence, facing a catastrophic failure if you are a Porsche owner you will have to try your luck and see if you can find a junk yard sample, and these are not cheap either. I know I faced this dilemma a couple of years ago with my car, a GT3 with catastrophic engine failure. I had no core, engine cost was 65K before installation. A rebuild was about 28K, that is when you have a core to trade back. A similar Corvette engine was 3-4 times less expensive. As a result, before you make your final decision you really need to look at what you can comfortably afford and then go with that. Yes, Porsche's have a better quality build, no doubt; however, if your budget is limited you really need to consider buying a Porsche. Furthermore, if you really plan on being a track rat you need to understand that a major failure is a real possibility, period. My recommendation is to thoroughly research the costs of a power plant replacement for both cars. Good luck.
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post Jan 11 2014, 09:15 PM
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Another option is an older BMW M3, Honda s2000 or a Subaru STI.
Or you can get a miata or rx-8 and throw some money at it.

Here's also a link to give you ideas
http://www.motortrend.com/features/laguna_lap/
the more affordable cars are at the bottom


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post Jan 11 2014, 09:42 PM
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post Jan 11 2014, 09:43 PM
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m3 thats a car


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post Jan 11 2014, 10:40 PM
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Laie_68.gif You are absolutely right, cost has to be part of the equation. BMW m3, 2000 and miatas are good options like the vet and miatas are even cheaper to fix and upgrade.There is a million combinations, but I think it boils down to: Porsche if money is not a constrain and it is track ready( maybe only tires and extra rims )or only tracked very few times and then you might have bad luck, or all the other options from vettes, miatas and all the others at diferent cost/ performance levels.How about fun to drive? Front wheel drive, rear wheel drive or all wheel drive? Diferent animals but does it get num when the car can almost never be off balance? Or feel funy when it's front wheel and you have to pull out of the corners with gas? What do you like better?
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post Jan 12 2014, 09:27 AM
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If you are getting a dedicated track car the only configuration you should be looking at is rear wheel drive. Four wheel drive adds weight and complexity; although, its a much more superior platform in the wet, this is why Rally racing uses this platform, and front wheel drive you are asking the front tires to do way too much in that steering, braking and/or acceleration must be handled simultaneously.
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post Jan 12 2014, 03:16 PM
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post Jan 12 2014, 05:26 PM
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A few years back, there were a couple of shops in the San Antonio area that specialized in getting boxster and cayman motors. Here are the contacts from the cards I have. Russo is exactly right, replacing the power plant in a Porsche outside of warranty (and sometimes inside) is crazy expensive.

These guys may give you a better sense of the cost of failure (and likelihood for certain years) for the Porsche motors...but the 986 and 987 were widely produced and should be more reasonable than 911 motors.

www.texas911motorsports.com
www.lonestarrpm.com

Rennlist is also a great place to gather info to answer your original question.


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post Jan 12 2014, 08:37 PM
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Lots of great cars to choose from. I ultimately went GM because it was more affordable for me to race. If i bought a 996 GT3 i could not afford race it & that would drive me nuts! There are other affordable Porsche's some great deals on Boxster S are out there.

The M3 is a good option but stay away form the newer ones.


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post Jan 12 2014, 08:49 PM
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As Russo mentioned earlier, my car had a catastrophic transmission failure last month at Barber. The estimate to rebuild and add a transmission cooler was $22K.
The car's KBB value is about double that.
As the popular saying goes: "What part of Porsche racing did you think was gonna be cheap?"

A set of Pagids for my car will run around $400-500, tires $1200 a set, gears are a cool $1000 per gear, etc. It's a fantastic car, with quite fantastic costs associated with it.
I'd take cost of parts, etc into consideration.


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post Jan 13 2014, 05:41 PM
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It seems I will have to go with utilizing the car more as a daily driver with the once a year event and preferably autocross. (So the hunting for a boxter or cayman begins, maybe M3)I'll stick with the toy I have and use for track events whenever work permits. My current car is pretty inexpensive compared to Porsche costs. When I broke my rear end I spend about 450 in parts and I put it back together in about 3 afternoons, pluss I am not attending to many events yet, missed the first one this year again.
Thanks to all for the input,
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